Please see this new upload here:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,8320.0.html
Another symphony from the estimable Emilie! Its movements are:
I. Adagio - Allegro con spirito
II. Marche Funèbre
III. Scherzo
IV. Allegro
... and many thanks to britishcomposer for the recording.
Hah! I missed it, while I was waiting for Kiel to tell me the date of broadcast ! So thanks for posting this. (Its my orchestral set being used). And the good news is that there is a second performance due to take place by another orchestra later this year.
Well done, Roz. It's important work that you've been doing.
Thank you, Alan. Having just listened to the recording, I was interested to note that the important element in the last movement, the Triangle, seems not to be made to stand out (or, at least, I can't hear it!).
I didn't notice it either. Can you give the time-point (on the recording) at which it should be audible?
It's another strong work by Mayer, especially the first two movements, but I couldn't detect a triangle either.
The triangle makes its first appearance at 32.05 and then again at 32.46 [until 33.12] and thereafter at similar moments in the music.
With this answer, I have tried to add a photo of the relevant page in the score but, as I failed, I suggest you visit the page on my website that already shows it with the triangle part.
https://www.trubcher.com/emilie-mayer-sinfonie-in-e-orchestra#gallery-1
thanks all for your interest, Roz.
Now that you point it out, it's definitely there, but virtually inaudible - so it's a balance problem.
Triangle or not, it's a fine work. I especially like the nobility of the first movement. My belated thanks to britishcomposer.
After a somewhat unintended delay, have just listened again to my download copy and appreciate britishcomposer's upload even more - many thanks. Does anyone have the durations for each movement - I can't access the upload source file to check if the details are there as my PC says it has an 'incompatible SSL protocol' or some such message!!!
Thanks
Richard
I chopped it up a while back and arrived at:
1. Adagio - allegro con spirito (14:29)
2. Marche funèbre (4:39)
3. Scherzo (4:18)
4. Allegro (14:02)
Does the Scherzo have a further indication, btw, in the score (e.g. Allegro, or somesuch)? Likewise the funeral march...
Ilja,
Many tks for the timings info - much appreciated.
Richard
The score (autograph) is available (https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN1015800661&PHYSID=PHYS_0162&DMDID=DMDLOG_0004) on the web site of the Staatsbibliotheik Berlin.
2nd movement: Marcia funebre. Andante maestoso
3rd movement: Scherzo. Allegro
4th movement: Finale. Allegro
This is what we know (I think):
Symphony No. 1 in C Minor (premièred before 4 March 1847)
Symphony No. 2 in E Minor (premièred before 4 March 1847)
Symphony No. 3 in C Major "Military" (premièred 21 April 1850)
Symphony No. 4 in B Minor (premièred 16 March 1851)
Symphony No. 5 in D Major (premièred 1 May 1852) - presumed lost
*Symphony No. 6 in E Major (premièred 25 April 1853)
Symphony No. 7 in F Minor (1855-56 ; premièred in April 1862) - mislabelled on the Dreyer Gaido CD as "No. 5"
Symphony No. 8 in F Major (1856-57 ; premièred in March 1862) - presumed lost
*This only leaves No.6 to be recorded commercially.
Quote*This only leaves No.6 to be recorded commercially
I am told the Symphony no.6 CD is in production in Germany.
That's good news. Thanks.
Quotethe Symphony no.6 CD is in production in Germany
By cpo or MDG, perhaps, Ros?
It says in the notes for the forthcoming cpo release of Symphonies 3 & 7 (page 2) that Symphony 6 is planned for release in 2023.
Aha - thanks for that.
A little update on answers to the question regarding a recording of Mayer Symphony 6: I've just been told that the launch of the CD will be at a special concert in Bremerhaven on June 12th.
Not long to wait, then. Thanks for the update Ros.
Is this the same recording of no.6 in E we have off-radio or something like (which will then be removed, of course, when the CD is released?)
No, this is a different recording by Bremerhaven.
This link...
https://stadttheaterbremerhaven.de/philharmonisches-orchester/programm/20212022/1-sinfoniekonzert-der-weibliche-beethoven/
...suggests that the performers will be the Philharmonisches Orchester Bremerhaven, conducted by Marc Niemann. However, the concert dates are given as 30th & 31st August.
The recording (for Hänssler Classic) has evidently already been made:
<<Under the musical direction of GMD Marc Niemann and in cooperation with Radio Bremen, the Bremerhaven Philharmonic Orchestera has recorded orchestral works by the composer Emilie Mayer (1812-1883) in the Sendesaal Bremen for the renowned Hänssler Classic label. The production management is in the hands of the well-known sound engineer Renate Wolter-Seevers.>>
https://www.marcniemann.com/home-202.html
(https://www.marcniemann.com/assets/images/d/Aufnahme%20Mayer-15762f3d.jpg)
Now I'm confused. Are cpo and Hänssler both releasing different recordings of symphony 6 soonish?...
I don't know for sure. We need more information from razorback who has evidently seen the booklet notes accompanying the cpo release of Symphonies 3 & 7 which isn't due out until November (see above)! But my guess is 'yes' - after all, by then we'll also have two recordings of No.3.
Perhaps the cpo recording will feature the performers involved in the download we still have available at UC, i.e. the Philharmonisches Orchester Kiel under Benjamin Reiners...
At jpc we find this notification from cpo:
Die Einspielung der Symphonien Nr. 4 und Nr. 6 ist für 2023 geplant. Die Materialien zu den Symphonien Nr. 5 und Nr. 8 sind leider verschollen = The recording of Symphonies 4 and 6 is planned for 2023. The materials for Symphonies 5 and 8 are sadly lost.
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/emilie-mayer-symphonien-nr-3-7/hnum/10892972
There will, therefore, be two recordings of No.6 - one on Hänssler and one on cpo.
QuoteNow I'm confused. Are cpo and Hänssler both releasing different recordings of symphony 6 soonish?...
I am very pleased to say that Mayer 6 has been getting a lot of attention recently, and I have hired out the orchestral set twice last year for recordings.
The June 12th date is a subscription concert to launch the CD.
'Twice' is the clue here - hence two recordings. Thanks, Ros.
And thanks, Ros, for all your efforts on behalf of Emilie!
Here's the first official announcement of the new Hänssler CD:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/emilie-mayer-symphonien-nr-3-6/hnum/10918489
Thanks for that timely news. I wasn´t aware that the coupling was so attractive, and I have gone ahead and ordered my copy.
(https://media1.jpc.de/image/w220/front/0/0881488220162.jpg)
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...and it's a fine CD. But now that we have a fuller picture of Emilie as a symphonist my enthusiasm is waning somewhat. Why? Because, despite many felicities, I rarely find myself gripped over an entire movement, let alone a whole symphony. I am thoroughly glad to have become acquainted with her music, but for me her younger contemporary Louise Farrenc is the superior symphonist. Compare for example LF's 3rd Symphony (1949): there's more sheer 'oomph' (for want of a better word) in the writing and I find her handling of the woodwind more varied and interesting.
In sum, I think Farrenc is the better symphonist; however, overall, Emilie may well still merit the title of Europe's (19th Century) Greatest Female Composer.
Very good cd...while I remain convinced that the 3rd (here spelled ;French standard "Militaire" ) is not among Mayer's best, I like this tauter performance much better than MDG's (that release, though, remains invaluable for the Overtures).
Totally different story about the 6th, which in my opinion is a very strong , dramatic work, a very fine symphony,
BTW i found Haenssler's liner notes especially informative and well written.
I have a recording of Mayer's "Sixth", played by the Philharmonisches Orchester Kiel under Benjamin Reiners, which I think I recorded from BBC radio a few years back. There's something weird going on here. The timings of that recording and Niemann's are roughly similar, but the composition of the movements is different. After the first movement, Niemann's second movement is Reiners' 2nd and 3rd combined, but Niemann's 3rd and 4th movement are combined by Reiners in one final movement. this leads to the following timings:
Niemann > Reiners
1. 14:24 > 14:29
2. 10:05 > 4:39 (=1st half of Niemann 2nd)
3. 7:17 > 4:18 (=2nd half of Niemann 2nd)
4. 6:38 > 14:02 (=Niemann 3+4)
Not that I care much about formalities, but I'd like to know how the composer assembled the movements.
The Reiners' recording in the downloads section is practically identical to the new Hännsler recording.
Reiners
1. 14:29
2. 8:56
3. 7:32
4. 6:31
Thanks. Unfortunately I don't remember where I got mine (wasn't my own recording as I thought earlier); bound to be some mistake.