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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Sunday 20 June 2021, 13:56

Title: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 20 June 2021, 13:56
Please see this new upload here:
http://www.unsungcomposers.com/forum/index.php/topic,8320.0.html
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 20 June 2021, 22:26
Another symphony from the estimable Emilie! Its movements are:

I. Adagio - Allegro con spirito
II. Marche Funèbre
III. Scherzo
IV. Allegro

... and many thanks to britishcomposer for the recording.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Monday 21 June 2021, 09:25
Hah! I missed it, while I was waiting for Kiel to tell me the date of broadcast ! So thanks for posting this. (Its my orchestral set being used). And the good news is that there is a second performance due to take place by another orchestra later this year.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 21 June 2021, 10:00
Well done, Roz. It's important work that you've been doing.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Monday 21 June 2021, 10:14
Thank you, Alan. Having just listened to the recording, I was interested to note that the important element in the last movement, the Triangle, seems not to be made to stand out (or, at least, I can't hear it!).
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 21 June 2021, 10:28
I didn't notice it either. Can you give the time-point (on the recording) at which it should be audible?
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 21 June 2021, 12:00
It's another strong work by Mayer, especially the first two movements, but I couldn't detect a triangle either.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Tuesday 22 June 2021, 08:48
The triangle makes its first appearance at 32.05 and then again at 32.46 [until 33.12] and thereafter at similar moments in the music.
With this answer, I have tried to add a photo of the relevant page in the score but, as  I failed, I suggest you visit the page on my website that already shows it with the triangle part.
https://www.trubcher.com/emilie-mayer-sinfonie-in-e-orchestra#gallery-1

thanks all for your interest, Roz.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 22 June 2021, 09:07
Now that you point it out, it's definitely there, but virtually inaudible - so it's a balance problem.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: semloh on Friday 25 June 2021, 00:39
Triangle or not, it's a fine work. I especially like the nobility of the first movement. My belated thanks to britishcomposer.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Richard Moss on Wednesday 24 November 2021, 17:38
After a somewhat unintended delay, have just listened again to my download copy and appreciate britishcomposer's upload even more - many thanks.  Does anyone have the durations for each movement - I can't access the upload source file to check if the details are there as my PC says it has an 'incompatible SSL protocol' or some such message!!!

Thanks

Richard
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Ilja on Thursday 25 November 2021, 20:38
I chopped it up a while back and arrived at:


1. Adagio - allegro con spirito (14:29)
2. Marche funèbre (4:39)
3. Scherzo (4:18)
4. Allegro (14:02)
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 26 November 2021, 02:00
Does the Scherzo have a further indication, btw, in the score (e.g. Allegro, or somesuch)? Likewise the funeral march...
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Richard Moss on Friday 26 November 2021, 08:40
Ilja,

Many tks for the timings info - much appreciated.

Richard
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Double-A on Saturday 27 November 2021, 02:43
The score (autograph) is available (https://digital.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/werkansicht?PPN=PPN1015800661&PHYSID=PHYS_0162&DMDID=DMDLOG_0004) on the web site of the Staatsbibliotheik Berlin.

2nd movement:  Marcia funebre.  Andante maestoso
3rd movement:   Scherzo.  Allegro
4th movement:   Finale.  Allegro
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 18 March 2022, 17:03
This is what we know (I think):

Symphony No. 1 in C Minor (premièred before 4 March 1847)
Symphony No. 2 in E Minor (premièred before 4 March 1847)
Symphony No. 3 in C Major "Military" (premièred 21 April 1850)
Symphony No. 4 in B Minor (premièred 16 March 1851)
Symphony No. 5 in D Major (premièred 1 May 1852) - presumed lost
*Symphony No. 6 in E Major (premièred 25 April 1853)
Symphony No. 7 in F Minor (1855-56 ; premièred in April 1862) - mislabelled on the Dreyer Gaido CD as "No. 5"
Symphony No. 8 in F Major (1856-57 ; premièred in March 1862) - presumed lost

*This only leaves No.6 to be recorded commercially.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Sunday 20 March 2022, 08:22
 
Quote*This only leaves No.6 to be recorded commercially
I am told  the Symphony no.6 CD is in production in Germany.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 20 March 2022, 08:42
That's good news. Thanks.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 20 March 2022, 08:47
Quotethe Symphony no.6 CD is in production in Germany

By cpo or MDG, perhaps, Ros?
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: razorback on Monday 21 March 2022, 04:51
It says in the notes for the forthcoming cpo release of Symphonies 3 & 7 (page 2) that Symphony 6 is planned for release in 2023.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 21 March 2022, 08:33
Aha - thanks for that.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Tuesday 22 March 2022, 17:54
A little update on answers to the question regarding a recording of Mayer Symphony 6: I've just been told that the launch of the CD will be at a special concert in Bremerhaven on June 12th.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Mark Thomas on Tuesday 22 March 2022, 19:53
Not long to wait, then. Thanks for the update Ros.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 22 March 2022, 21:05
Is this the same recording of no.6 in E we have off-radio or something like (which will then be removed, of course, when the CD is released?)
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Wednesday 23 March 2022, 11:28
No, this is a different recording by Bremerhaven.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 23 March 2022, 11:42
This link...
https://stadttheaterbremerhaven.de/philharmonisches-orchester/programm/20212022/1-sinfoniekonzert-der-weibliche-beethoven/
...suggests that the performers will be the Philharmonisches Orchester Bremerhaven, conducted by Marc Niemann. However, the concert dates are given as 30th & 31st August.

The recording (for Hänssler Classic) has evidently already been made:

<<Under the musical direction of GMD Marc Niemann and in cooperation with Radio Bremen, the Bremerhaven Philharmonic Orchestera has recorded orchestral works by the composer Emilie Mayer (1812-1883) in the Sendesaal Bremen for the renowned Hänssler Classic label. The production management is in the hands of the well-known sound engineer Renate Wolter-Seevers.>>
https://www.marcniemann.com/home-202.html

(https://www.marcniemann.com/assets/images/d/Aufnahme%20Mayer-15762f3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 23 March 2022, 13:27
Now I'm confused. Are cpo and Hänssler both releasing different recordings of symphony 6 soonish?...
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 23 March 2022, 13:58
I don't know for sure. We need more information from razorback who has evidently seen the booklet notes accompanying the cpo release of Symphonies 3 & 7 which isn't due out until November (see above)! But my guess is 'yes' - after all, by then we'll also have two recordings of No.3.

Perhaps the cpo recording will feature the performers involved in the download we still have available at UC, i.e. the Philharmonisches Orchester Kiel under Benjamin Reiners...

Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 23 March 2022, 23:33
At jpc we find this notification from cpo:

Die Einspielung der Symphonien Nr. 4 und Nr. 6 ist für 2023 geplant. Die Materialien zu den Symphonien Nr. 5 und Nr. 8 sind leider verschollen = The recording of Symphonies 4 and 6 is planned for 2023. The materials for Symphonies 5 and 8 are sadly lost.
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/cpo/detail/-/art/emilie-mayer-symphonien-nr-3-7/hnum/10892972

There will, therefore, be two recordings of No.6 - one on Hänssler and one on cpo.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: rosflute on Thursday 24 March 2022, 10:50
QuoteNow I'm confused. Are cpo and Hänssler both releasing different recordings of symphony 6 soonish?...

I am very pleased to say that Mayer 6 has been getting a lot of attention recently, and I have hired out the orchestral set twice last year for recordings.
The June 12th date is a subscription concert to launch the CD.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 24 March 2022, 12:01
'Twice' is the clue here - hence two recordings. Thanks, Ros.

And thanks, Ros, for all your efforts on behalf of Emilie!
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 15 April 2022, 06:43
Here's the first official announcement of the new Hänssler CD:
https://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/emilie-mayer-symphonien-nr-3-6/hnum/10918489
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: terry martyn on Friday 15 April 2022, 11:14
Thanks for that timely news. I wasn´t aware that the coupling was so attractive, and I have gone ahead and ordered my copy.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 19 April 2022, 17:35
(https://media1.jpc.de/image/w220/front/0/0881488220162.jpg)

(https://media1.jpc.de/image/w600/rear/0/0881488220162.jpg)
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 01 July 2022, 17:19
...and it's a fine CD. But now that we have a fuller picture of Emilie as a symphonist my enthusiasm is waning somewhat. Why? Because, despite many felicities, I rarely find myself gripped over an entire movement, let alone a whole symphony. I am thoroughly glad to have become acquainted with her music, but for me her younger contemporary Louise Farrenc is the superior symphonist. Compare for example LF's 3rd Symphony (1949): there's more sheer 'oomph' (for want of a better word) in the writing and I find her handling of the woodwind more varied and interesting.

In sum, I think Farrenc is the better symphonist; however, overall, Emilie may well still merit the title of Europe's (19th Century) Greatest Female Composer.

Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: hyperdanny on Sunday 03 July 2022, 09:56
Very good cd...while I remain convinced that the 3rd (here spelled ;French standard "Militaire" ) is not among Mayer's best, I like this tauter performance much better than MDG's (that release, though, remains invaluable for the Overtures).
Totally different story about the 6th, which in my opinion is a very strong , dramatic work, a very fine symphony,
BTW i found Haenssler's liner notes especially informative and well written.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Ilja on Sunday 03 July 2022, 20:59
I have a recording of Mayer's "Sixth", played by the Philharmonisches Orchester Kiel under Benjamin Reiners, which I think I recorded from BBC radio a few years back. There's something weird going on here. The timings of that recording and Niemann's are roughly similar, but the composition of the movements is different. After the first movement, Niemann's second movement is Reiners' 2nd and 3rd combined, but Niemann's 3rd and 4th movement are combined by Reiners in one final movement. this leads to the following timings:

Niemann > Reiners
1. 14:24 > 14:29
2. 10:05 > 4:39 (=1st half of Niemann 2nd)
3. 7:17 > 4:18 (=2nd half of Niemann 2nd)
4. 6:38 > 14:02 (=Niemann 3+4)

Not that I care much about formalities, but I'd like to know how the composer assembled the movements.
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: BerlinExpat on Sunday 03 July 2022, 22:42
The Reiners' recording in the downloads section is practically identical to the new Hännsler recording.

Reiners
1. 14:29
2. 8:56
3. 7:32
4. 6:31
Title: Re: Emilie Mayer Symphony No.6
Post by: Ilja on Monday 04 July 2022, 00:32
Thanks. Unfortunately I don't remember where I got mine (wasn't my own recording as I thought earlier); bound to be some mistake.