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The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Saturday 11 February 2023, 16:46

Title: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 11 February 2023, 16:46
Just recently I heard the last movement toccata from this magnificent work for the first time and realised that this was probably the successor to the famous movement from Widor's 5th Organ symphony. I managed to track down Daniel Chorzempa's recording from 1987 which is spectacular.

The problem I find with Vierne is the increasingly chromatic nature of his later music, so this 1st Organ Symphony suits me fine. However, should I venture further into his organ music - and, if so, how far?
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 11 February 2023, 17:39
I think you would find the 2nd and 3rd symphonies to your taste. After that, not so much.

I agree that the "Final" of the 1st is terrific and I prefer it to Widor's 5th. Vierne's Carillon-Sortie is also fun.

Try also the Toccata by Marcel Lanquetuit (available in a number of different performances on YouTube) and the Toccata in B minor by Gigout (similarly available).
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 11 February 2023, 17:40
I assume you are familiar with the Suite Gothique by Boellmann.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 11 February 2023, 19:39
Thanks, Gareth.

In fact I've now ordered the complete set of Organ Symphonies on Brilliant Classics as it was so inexpensive, so I'll be looking forward to Nos.2 and 3!
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 11 February 2023, 20:17
I hope you won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 11 February 2023, 20:39
I must apologise for a careless mistake in one of my previous posts: I wrongly ascribed the "Carillon-Sortie" to Vierne. It is, of course, by Henri Mulet.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: 4candles on Saturday 11 February 2023, 23:05
Vierne's 3rd Symphony - especially (for me) its opening and closing movements - is a masterwork. His 4th and 5th generally leave me less enthralled, though there's no doubting the skilfullness of their writing. The finale of the 6th Symphony is one of my favourite organ pieces. It's pretty chromatic in parts, but well worth a good few spins.

His other Carillons are also excellent ('de Westminster', 'de Longpont' and 'Les cloches de Hinckley'), as well as other selections from his '24 Pièces dans le style libre' and, especially, '24 Pièces de Fantasie'  which includes some glorious music such as 'Hymne au Soleil'.

As an aside, if you haven't tried the '3 Preludes and Fugues, Op.7' by Marcel Dupré, you really must. The third piece is positively life-affirming.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 12 February 2023, 09:20
Thanks for these thoughts.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 14 February 2023, 03:22
The only Vierne for organ in my collection, fwiw, seems to be a recording of the 6th symphony I acquired because the other item was Reger's 2nd organ sonata. Have heard several of his chamber works, though, and his symphony in A minor for orchestra.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: dmitterd on Thursday 23 February 2023, 20:34
Readers may be interested to know that Vierne orchestrated various movements (the Scherzo from the Second Symphony, Adagio from the Third Symphony and the Final from the First Symphony) from his organ symphonies into a Pièce Symphonique. It looks like the recording is now out of print but I imagine second hand copies can be found on Ebay, etc. More information here: https://ohscatalog.org/louis-vierne-volume-4-christine-kamp-and-orchestra/

cheers,
Daniel
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Ilja on Friday 24 February 2023, 14:46
For whoever wants to taste Vierne's Pièce Symphonique, there's an enthusiastically played but execrably recorded Youtube performance:

1. (Not available)
2. Adagio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU-W14N2lWI) 
3. Finale (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7Dowme-tio)

Caution is advised.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 24 February 2023, 15:34
I have tried it. It is HORRIBLE!
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Ilja on Saturday 25 February 2023, 11:22
The upside is that whatever this new recording offers, it'll be an improvement. Small blessings...
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 25 February 2023, 11:56
It's not a new recording - unless I've misunderstood...?
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 25 February 2023, 15:07
For those with a spirit of adventure, downloadable tracks of the commercial recording of Vierne's Pièce Symphonique for organ and orchestra can be bought very cheaply from this Dutch online music store: https://web20.sthrecords.nl/muziek/2195/christine-kamp-l-yuvre-d-orgue-integral-de-louis-vierne-vol-iv/ (https://web20.sthrecords.nl/muziek/2195/christine-kamp-l-yuvre-d-orgue-integral-de-louis-vierne-vol-iv/). My browser threw up a dire security warning but this seems to be linked to the site's security certificate being out of date. I had no problems thereafter, although the site is in Dutch. You do need to register, and to be on the safe side I used a fictitious name and address, an email address I hardly ever use (because the download link is emailed out) and paid with PayPal but all seems above board, the tracks downloaded with no problems and are virus-free, as is my PC. I'm not recommending you risk it, just saying that I did and it seems to be consequence-free provided you take precautions.
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: Ebubu on Friday 03 March 2023, 19:36
Quote from: dmitterd on Thursday 23 February 2023, 20:34Readers may be interested to know that Vierne orchestrated various movements (the Scherzo from the Second Symphony, Adagio from the Third Symphony and the Final from the First Symphony) from his organ symphonies into a Pièce Symphonique. It looks like the recording is now out of print but I imagine second hand copies can be found on Ebay, etc. More information here: https://ohscatalog.org/louis-vierne-volume-4-christine-kamp-and-orchestra/

cheers,
Daniel

Interesting to know.  I've always thought that these symphonies -- and some other show-off pieces, could show their best through an efficient orchestration (for orchestra only, without organ). I've always wanted to tackle an orchestration of the 2nd Symphony (my favorite), but I'm afraid I'll probably keep it as a "retirement project"...  ;D
Title: Re: Vierne Organ Symphony No.1 (1899)
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 04 March 2023, 03:04
There is an orchestral arrangement of organ symphony no.3 at IMSLP in score and parts uploaded last year by a Claude Anthony Johnson.