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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 00:44

Title: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 00:44
I think this new CD of cello sonatas by Camillo Schumann (1872-1946 and brother of Georg) may well be worth investigating...

http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Camillo-Schumann-Sonaten-f%FCr-Cello-Klavier-Nr-1-2/hnum/4965621 (http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/art/Camillo-Schumann-Sonaten-f%FCr-Cello-Klavier-Nr-1-2/hnum/4965621)
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 01:17
Quote from: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 00:44
I think this new CD of cello sonatas by Camillo Schumann (1872-1946 and brother of Georg) may well be worth investigating...

wait, didn't we have a discussion about this when it came out as a digital download about a half-year ago  :)
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 07:44
Possibly: but we've recently had a thread on his brother, so let's keep this one going. Does anyone know any more of Camillo's music?
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 07:54
What immediately attractive music. Excuse me, must dash, I'm off to classicsonline.com!
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Mark Thomas on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 08:05
... there's also what sounds like a very pretty Flute Sonata on a Berlin Classics CD with works by Hummel n Moszkowski. Samples here (http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=746208).
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 12:08
2 of Camillo Schumann's several organ sonatas are on IMSLP in score but I haven't yet heard any of his music.
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: jerfilm on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 16:03
The cello sonata disc is available for download on Amazon USA for US$5.99

Jerry
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: black on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 16:56
Quote from: eschiss1 on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 12:08
2 of Camillo Schumann's several organ sonatas are on IMSLP in score but I haven't yet heard any of his music.
No. 2 and no. 4 can be heard on Youtube
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 18:26
Is that from the  set on MDG (1984) performed by Reinhard Kluth of Camillo Schumann's complete organ sonatas?  (Ah no, I see- it's from a different recording entirely- Stockmeier on Psallite LP, 1970s.)
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: jerfilm on Wednesday 02 February 2011, 22:55
So is organ sonata #6......YouTube, that is

Jerry
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 03 February 2011, 20:45
My reaction on listening to these cello sonatas is somewhat similar to that which Röntgen's music made on me some years ago. This is very conservative, but absolutely wonderful music, written with obvious craftsmanship and with a seemingly endless supply of gorgeous melody. I may well wear out this CD!!

BTW, just look at the catalogue of his works...
http://www.romanmusprod.de/csg/html/werkverzeichnis.html (http://www.romanmusprod.de/csg/html/werkverzeichnis.html)
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: jerfilm on Thursday 03 February 2011, 22:12
Yes, this is a real find.  I especially like #2.  Twice a year I make up a set of "Dad's Favorite" discs for some family members who share my passion for classical romantic composers and this will surely be a top pick for 2011.

Jerry
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: JimL on Friday 04 February 2011, 00:18
Doesn't appear to be a whole lot of orchestral music in there.  But that Violin Concerto in D minor, Op. 67 looks like it might be intriguing.
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Friday 04 February 2011, 02:40
Quote from: JimL on Friday 04 February 2011, 00:18
Doesn't appear to be a whole lot of orchestral music in there.  But that Violin Concerto in D minor, Op. 67 looks like it might be intriguing.
Odd. Same opus number as the 4th sonata? guess so, the list considers the sonata 'op.67a'. hrm!
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: JimL on Friday 04 February 2011, 06:49
There was also a question as to whether the VC was Op. 27, I think.  The question is whether or not there is a score, MS or published.
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: giwro on Friday 04 February 2011, 16:31
I have the Reinhard Kluth MDG set of the organ Sonatas, as well as a score or two.  It is very well-written music, and I've always wanted to hear more from him.  Looks like my bank account will take a hit as well!

;D
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Simon on Saturday 05 February 2011, 17:36
Last summer, I ordered a photocopy of the manuscript of his Oboe Sonata in G major Op. 105 (completed on July 29, 1937) from the Sachsisches Staatsarchiv (I believe many works by CS are kept there).

This is conservative German Romantic music, kind of interesting since there are only a few Romantic oboe sonatas. In 4 movements : Allegro amabile, G major (the first theme of which - very lyrical - reminds me of Brahms); Andante molto sostenuto, E minor (a dark sarabande); Scherzo - Allegro molto, C major (maybe the weekest movement here IMHO); Allegretto poco mosso, G major (with some "Volkstone", to paraphrase Robert Schumann).
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 05 February 2011, 22:35
Is there a set of parts available for this concerto?
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: JimL on Sunday 06 February 2011, 00:03
You mean sonata, Gareth? ;)  I know - a Romantic-style oboe concerto (other than the Strauss) would be a welcome addition to the repertoire.
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 07 February 2011, 00:29
Quote from: JimL on Sunday 06 February 2011, 00:03
You mean sonata, Gareth? ;)  I know - a Romantic-style oboe concerto (other than the Strauss) would be a welcome addition to the repertoire.
There was a thread about this once, and I may resurrect it if only to ask if anyone knows much about the Grandval (1877), Guilhaud (concerto op.15 and concertino, latter by 1890?) or Barth  (ca.1823) works...
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 07 February 2011, 01:55
We're getting off-topic here, gentlemen...
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Ricky on Friday 18 February 2011, 21:40
hey guys,
I am Ricky, president of Camillo Schumann society in Duesseldorf, Germany. Its ineresting to read about the conversation of Camillo. He has no connection to Robert Schumann, just the name, which is very often in germany. If there is something to ask, maybe prints or where you can get sheetmusic, please let me know.

would like to hear from all the Camillo Schumann lovers

Ricky
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Friday 18 February 2011, 22:26
Hello, Ricky, and welcome. I would like to know if a Partitur and set of Orchesterstimmen exist for Camillo Schumann's Violin Concerto. It might be something Hyperion Records would be interested in.
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: Ricky on Saturday 19 February 2011, 15:38
Hi Gareth,
I never saw the score before. I don't know really, what kind of piece that is.
it surely will be a handwriting. All the music by CS you can find in the
main state library in Dresden.
Or look in the list of all the pieces on my homepage. Or google with "Camillo Schumann Gesellschaft.

Kind regards
Ricky
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: John on Thursday 08 May 2014, 04:24
I am looking for sheet music to Camillo Schumann's "Romanze op. 20/1 for cello and piano... any suggestion?
Title: Re: Camillo Schumann Cello Sonatas
Post by: eschiss1 on Thursday 08 May 2014, 20:16
I'm guessing you might be able to contact one of the sources above for possible loan, maybe... A quick search of a few sources suggests to me that the two works may have been published separately sometime in hrm 1902-1904 or so, not sure?... - I'm guessing by F.E.C. Leuckart (or Leuckart-Sander perhaps...) (then of Leipzig, now in Munich), as with some of his other works of the period.

(Maybe contact the performers on the Naxos recording to see how they obtained the music? Couldn't hurt.)