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Title: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: taxus_mre on Friday 21 April 2023, 07:12
Put this Symphony online today.

https://youtu.be/OhqYEAYp8Zo (https://youtu.be/OhqYEAYp8Zo)
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 21 April 2023, 11:08
Thanks very much indeed. Very good of you to share this with us - and welcome to UC!
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: taxus_mre on Friday 21 April 2023, 13:31
I really would like to know if someone has access to a score of his other symphonies, regardlees of whether printed  sheets or a manuskript.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Christopher on Friday 21 April 2023, 13:52
Quote from: taxus_mre on Friday 21 April 2023, 07:12Put this Sympony online today.

https://youtu.be/OhqYEAYp8Zo (https://youtu.be/OhqYEAYp8Zo)

Thank you.  Out of interest, why did you choose this one? Are you looking at Napravnik generally?  I look forward to listening!
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: taxus_mre on Friday 21 April 2023, 16:41
Hi Christopher, that was pure chance while nosing around in unknown orchestral music yet again. First time I read about the symphony in a user comment to Rudolf Karel's eponymous work. Then I checked Napravnik's IMSLP list and found the score. A few minutes on the piano let me go on.
Later I came across with the opera of Rubinstein and the stories of Lermontov and Vrubel.
I perceive the symphony as witty and like to hear it in total and with all the instruments at long last.
It would be interesting to compare it with the remaining three.

What do you think, should I add subtitles with lines from the basic Lermontov poem to the video?
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Mark Thomas on Saturday 22 April 2023, 16:24
This is a very colourful, exciting and eventful score which I greatly enjoyed but it doesn't really convince as a symphony. It's so episodic that it's really a large-scale symphonic poem spread over seven movements, linked into two parts. Unlike Tchaikovsky's Manfred Symphony or Liszt's Faust Symphony for example, real symphonic development is lacking but for all that it's a strong work, brim full of attractive ideas, and richly deserves to be heard again. Thanks very much Taxus for bringing it back to life.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: taxus_mre on Saturday 22 April 2023, 19:19
Indeed, 'episodes' is the better wording than 'movements'. In fact, the 'unsymphonic' form with its roots in the Lermontow poem (I likewise didn't know before) was one of the triggers to do this work.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Ilja on Sunday 23 April 2023, 11:42
I have to agree with Mark; rather than of any symphony, this reminded me in places of Rimsky-Korsakov's Sheherazade; it's also roughly the same length. It's huge fun for similar reasons as Sheherazade, though, and well worth a revival in my view.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: JP on Sunday 23 April 2023, 20:19
The 2-part division of this delightful work appears to conform to the loosely structured framework of an extended symphonic poem such as Liszt's Dante Symphony (Inferno, Purgatario-Magnificat) not forgetting Suk's Asrael Symphony which is similarly partitioned into 2 sections (Movts I-III, IV-V) as notated by the respective composers, ending either on a resolute affirmative note or consolatory mood. In terms of programmatic material, they also seem to be touching on themes revolving around the ethereally angelic and nefariously fallen realms of netherworldly despair and damnation from a literary or autobiographical standpoint and symbolically derivative perspective. What's also especially noticeable from Napravnik's Third Symphony is the pleasant alternation between dramatically swift paced and lyrical passages which is similarly evident in the Suk and Liszt compositions, as well as of Tchaikovsky's tone poems like Hamlet, Fate, Francesca da Rimini, Romeo and Juliet. Indeed the influence of the Mighty-Five Russian Nationalist School is particularly evident in the Allegro giocoso - Poco a poco accelerando segment from the first section of this symphony which is brimming with melodic shades of Balakirev, Borodin and Rimsky-Korsakov.

It is therefore earnestly hoped that either CPO or NAXOS, especially with Maestro Marek Stilec currently championing the symphonic obscurae of V. Novak and JB Foerster, would seize the initiative and take the lead in resurrecting Napravnik's glossed over 4 symphonies and other orchestral works from virtual oblivion. Nonetheless, one ponders whether significant challenges and obstacles might be faced in trying to obtain the orchestral performance scores of Napravnik's symphonic works from Russian musical libraries and conservatories (unless they can be sourced and reproduced elsewhere from the original reference scores) amid the present set of dire circumstances whereby cross-cultural collaboration in the performing arts between Central, East-Europe and Russia has been brought to a screeching halt. Meantime, we very much look forward to < taxus_mre > uploading more digital synthesizer renditions of Napravnik's other symphonies onto YouTube. This will greatly enthrall fellow lovers of these musical gemstones eagerly waiting to lap up these unearthed repositories of unsung composer repertoires consisting of un(der)performed and un(der)recorded works.  Much appreciated in this regard. 
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 23 April 2023, 20:31
Quotenot forgetting Suk's Asrael Symphony

Although titled, this isn't really a programmatic work.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Mark Thomas on Sunday 23 April 2023, 22:13
Quote from: JP on Sunday 23 April 2023, 20:19one ponders whether significant challenges and obstacles might be faced in trying to obtain the orchestral performance scores of Napravnik's symphonic works from Russian musical libraries and conservatories
Does anyone know where the scores of the other three symphonies are? Were any of them published? I see that Nos.2-4 were composed within six years when Napravnik was in his mid to late thirties, whereas No.1 was written when Napravnik was 21. He clearly had talent, I must listen to his Piano Concerto again.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Ilja on Monday 24 April 2023, 08:15
The family moved to Belgium after the Bolshevik revolution; some snippets are in the Belgian Royal Library, but only a single piece of music (the Fest-Marsch über den Marsch Peter's des Grossen und ein russisches Volkslied, Op. 33). I had some hope the First Symphony might be in the Czech National Library (since it was written while Napravnik was still in Bohemia) but alas, no trace.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 24 April 2023, 09:11
I've also drawn a blank so far trying to find the scores of the other symphonies.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 24 April 2023, 10:43
As I listen to this exciting (and often noisy!) piece, I hear mainly the legacy of Liszt and Tchaikovsky (e.g. Francesca da Rimini, Manfred) rather than any of the Russian nationalists - although from around 6½ minutes in there is a distinctly 'Russian' turn, as it were. Rimsky's probably in there somewhere.

It would be wonderful to hear this played by a top-flight orchestra. It may be the composer's best piece. It's a shame we know so little of his music.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Christopher on Monday 24 April 2023, 15:47
I would guess that, as a Czech (not a Russian) he might have felt more affinity for Tchaikovsky rather than for the nationalist Mighty Five. See also his choice of material for his operas - Harold (about 1066), Francesca da Rimini and Don Juan (actually incidental music) - though of course he also wrote Dubrovsky (after Pushkin) and one called Nizhegorodtzy (The Nizhniy-Novgorodians). Tchaikovsky dedicated various works to him, and he premiered several of his works as conductor, including the first piano concerto and five of his operas.  He was certainly at the centre of the late-romantic Russian music scene - he also premiered (as conductor) Boris Godunov and five Rimsky-Korsakov operas.

As a Brit I would love to hear Harold (after a play by a German dramatist I've never heard of - Ernst von Wildenbruch - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_von_Wildenbruch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_von_Wildenbruch)).  Score here (piano rather than full orchestra version, which I can't find online:  https://imslp.org/wiki/Harold,_Op.45_(Nápravník,_Eduard) (https://imslp.org/wiki/Harold,_Op.45_(N%C3%A1pravn%C3%ADk,_Eduard))

Have you tried these guys - http://www.napravnikfestival.cz/ (http://www.napravnikfestival.cz/) - they have a festival of his music (annually?) in the Czech Republic.  If you haven't told them about your rendition of "Demon" you definitely should, I am sure they would be very excited.

I've been through all entries on the Russian State Library which contain the word Napravnik ("Направник") - https://search.rsl.ru/#ff=24.03.2023&s=fdatedesc - but the only symphony listing there is the Third "Demon" symphony.  Plenty of other stuff, including his operas.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 24 April 2023, 16:20
QuoteHave you tried these guys - http://www.napravnikfestival.cz/ - they have a festival of his music (annually?) in the Czech Republic.  If you haven't told them about your rendition of "Demon" you definitely should, I am sure they would be very excited.

They might also know something about the whereabouts of the scores of his other symphonies. Fingers crossed. (Like Mark, I haven't had any luck so far in tracking them down.)
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 24 April 2023, 16:29
The only symphony of his listed in Pazdirek is No. 3, so it looks like the others were never published. If they remained in MS, it is possible they are lost (alas!) unless there is a Napravnik archive somewhere which includes his scores.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 24 April 2023, 17:39
I agree, Gareth. It looks like the other symphonies weren't published.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 24 April 2023, 17:57
Could be in NLR (https://nlr.ru/manuscripts/RA3010/manuscript-music).
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Christopher on Monday 24 April 2023, 19:01
Quote from: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 24 April 2023, 16:20
QuoteHave you tried these guys - http://www.napravnikfestival.cz/ - they have a festival of his music (annually?) in the Czech Republic.  If you haven't told them about your rendition of "Demon" you definitely should, I am sure they would be very excited.

They might also know something about the whereabouts of the scores of his other symphonies. Fingers crossed. (Like Mark, I haven't had any luck so far in tracking them down.)

Um, isn't that what I was saying?!  ;D

There are numerous Russian archives which are separate from the Russian State Archives. In addition the RSA has different categories of archive - normal, deep, etc etc.  Labyrinthine doesn't describe it.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Monday 24 April 2023, 20:01

Sorry, Christopher - but not in so many words. Perhaps I was being a bit dim; I just thought I'd spell it out! No offence intended.
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: cypressdome on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 02:13
Quote from: eschiss1 on Monday 24 April 2023, 17:57Could be in NLR (https://nlr.ru/manuscripts/RA3010/manuscript-music).
This PDF (https://nlr.ru/manuscripts/dep/img/manuscripts/Opisi/510.pdf) would appear to be an inventory of what manuscripts of Nápravník are in their collection (or at least as of 1960).
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: 4candles on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 07:49
I don't see any symphonies there unfortunately. But my Russian comprehension is very limited.

I'd be interested to see where you got the PDF from Eric. Is there an NLR link?
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 13:32
That wasn't me :)
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Christopher on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 15:12
Quote from: cypressdome on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 02:13This PDF (https://nlr.ru/manuscripts/dep/img/manuscripts/Opisi/510.pdf) would appear to be an inventory of what manuscripts of Nápravník are in their collection (or at least as of 1960).

Not really - as follows:

1. Song of the Nightingale from the opera Don Juan (version for singer plus piano)
2. Excerpt from 4th act of the opera Dubrovsky
3. Dubrovsky - short list of the opera's contents, with biographical notes on the composer
4. A K Tolstoy's book "Don Juan" with notes written in it by Napravnik. Bound.
5. A letter of Napravnik to someone unidentified.
6. A photo of Napravnik with his inscription
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: 4candles on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 15:40
Quote from: eschiss1 on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 13:32That wasn't me :)
Profuse apologies!
Title: Re: Nápravník, Eduard - Symphony No.3 in E minor "Demon" - a digital rendition
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 25 April 2023, 17:13
Update: IMSLP has a composition date of 1874 and a publication date of 1882. This rather changes our notions of the works that would have been the major influences upon Napravnik's symphony; by 1874 Tchaikovsky had only written his first two symphonies and none of his major symphonic poems. So what about composers like Rubinstein? Or even Liszt?

Or was Napravnik a more original voice than we had imagined heretofore?