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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: FBerwald on Tuesday 23 July 2024, 17:38

Title: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: FBerwald on Tuesday 23 July 2024, 17:38
Hyperion has just posted on their website, one of their October releases - an album delectably titled "Unplayed Stories ... in 40 Fingers"
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Pieces include:
Felix Mendelssohn & Ignaz Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber MWV O9 [2 pianos & orchestra]
Ignaz Moscheles, arr. Tomer Lev & Aryeh Levanon - Les Contrastes 'Grand Duo' Op 115 [4 pianos! & orchestra]
Franz Liszt & Franz Schubert, arr. Alexander Tamir - Große Fantasie 'Wanderer' S366 [2 pianos & orchestra]
Franz Schubert, arr. Ernst Pauer - No. 3 & 6 from 6 Grandes Marches D819

MultiPiano Ensemble, Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Berlin, Ivor Bolton (conductor)
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: terry martyn on Monday 30 September 2024, 16:11
I must apologise if what I am about to write is controversial and harsh, and it is just my personal opinion,after all.

I am really disappointed  in this CD, and I normally wouldn't dare say this about something produced by Hyperion.. I have no complaints about the performances of soloists or orchestra.  But,what is the point?  The Mendelssohn/Moscheles combination did not result in anything memorable,the arrangement of Moscheles never came to life,and the less said the better ,in my opinion,about the other two arrangements. 

Perhaps I should have sampled before buying, as it comes across as  some kind of advertising gimmick for the MultiPiano Ensemble.  But I can't help feeling that many hands do not necessarily make light work.



Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: Maury on Monday 30 September 2024, 16:21
Quote from: terry martyn on Monday 30 September 2024, 16:11Perhaps I should have sampled before buying, as it comes across as  some kind of advertising gimmick for the MultiPiano Ensemble.  But I can't help feeling that many hands do not necessarily make light work.

Mr Martyn,

 I have to make the same comment I made in the HIP Bruckner thread. Look at the CD cover more closely. "Unplayed Stories .. in 40 Fingers. First recordings of works for multiple pianos and orchestras ...."

That is the entire point of this (marketing) exercise.
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 30 September 2024, 17:48
QuoteI must apologise if what I am about to write is controversial and harsh, and it is just my personal opinion,after all.
There's absolutely no need to apologise, Terry. It's a perfectly valid opinion which you have expressed in very temperate language, I must say. We're under no obligation to like anything...
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 30 September 2024, 19:14
Quite right, Mark. Thanks for making this clear.
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: kolaboy on Tuesday 01 October 2024, 01:12
I would love to see a video of how exactly 6 pianos plus orchestra are coordinated. Seems I recall reading about a Czerny polonaise/piece for 8 pianos...
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 01 October 2024, 02:01
Quote from: kolaboy on Tuesday 01 October 2024, 01:12I would love to see a video of how exactly 6 pianos plus orchestra are coordinated. Seems I recall reading about a Czerny polonaise/piece for 8 pianos...

Gottschalk wrote a couple pieces for 16 (!) pianos and orchestra, and one for 13, though they are lost.
There IS an extant piece for three pianos, 10 hands, and orchestra:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRMWF5BdLJs
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: Richard Moss on Tuesday 01 October 2024, 14:31
It reminds me of the multi-piano version of Liszt's Hexameron I came across a few years ago.  I'll have to dig it out and see how the extra pianos make any difference to say the single piano version in Hyperion RPC volumes of Liszt's Piano & Orchestra works.  (I'll probably get the download as I'm  a sucker for unusual recordings!)

Cheers

Richard
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Tuesday 01 October 2024, 23:53
QuoteThere IS an extant piece for three pianos, 10 hands, and orchestra:

Yes, and remarkably dull it is, too. And I speak as someone who really loves Gottschalk's music.
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: terry martyn on Wednesday 02 October 2024, 09:40
The old LP of Gottschalk's works for piano and orchestra still delights.  Perhaps the most deliciously over-the-top piece is the Variations on the {former} Portuguese National Anthem.  Without having my copy in front of me,I recollect that that was the only one on that recording that Gottschalk actually orchestrated himself.
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Wednesday 02 October 2024, 11:12
Agree completely. And didn't he write a work for piano and orchestra which involved canon aswell? Or do I misremember?
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: terry martyn on Wednesday 02 October 2024, 11:22
I fear,in contrast, that this new Hyperion CD remains resolutely earthbound.
Title: Re: Mendelssohn / Moscheles - Fantaisie & Variations on a theme by Weber
Post by: semloh on Sunday 13 October 2024, 07:57
The whole sorry affair is already available on YT, courtesy of Hyperion. I can't see any marketing gain or musical value in making this CD. Even the obvious skill of the performers is unable to rescue the listener from the unremitting mediocrity of the music. I thought the Schubert marches were going to be an exception, as they are rather jolly pieces, but by then I'd had enough.