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Title: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Tapiola on Saturday 10 August 2024, 16:50
A new release from CPO already available for streaming:

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9661714--franz-xaver-scharwenka-piano-concerto-no-1-symphony-c-minor

Poznan Philharmonic Orchestra under Lukasz Borowicz
Jonathan Powell: pianist
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Saturday 10 August 2024, 17:11
This is rather nice. The sound bites are enticing. Crisp playing all round. Well worth investigating, I would say.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 10 August 2024, 17:14
Yes, I'll be purchasing this one. I have great admiration for the main Polish orchestras.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 10 August 2024, 18:19
Comparing timings, every movement is briefer than the Sterling recording --

14:16/7:08/9:39/10:18 (Sterling)

13:47/6:34/8:43/9:56 (cpo).
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 10 August 2024, 18:53
A tauter reading, then. Probably a good thing.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Jonathan on Saturday 10 August 2024, 20:35
Excellent! Another one for the wishlist.  I wonder if they'll be recording the other F.X.Scharwenka piano concerto?
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 10 August 2024, 20:41
There are four Piano Concertos in all.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Saturday 10 August 2024, 22:27
Though one can always hope there's also a 5th that's gone missing... just because! :) And that cpo will do his brother's symphonies and other orchestral works, too :)
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: tuatara442442 on Sunday 11 August 2024, 03:32
This release is quite surprising, though I have to admit the PC1 and the symphony (except for the scherzo) doesn't interest me. The same orchestra and conductor have recorded PC4 (with another pianist) and Mataswintha overture on Naxos more than ten years ago. Presumably this is the same project published on different labels. Hope they continue this not too far in the future, I can't wait for a new PC3 recording (there are only 2 of them, at least commercial ones that I know of)
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 11 August 2024, 03:44
Yeah, I think you're right- just the 1997 (reissued 2003) one on Collins/Hyperion and the more recent one on Chandos. The Centaur disc is of nos.1&2 only, now I think on it...
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Thursday 15 August 2024, 19:17
Here are the same orchestra and conductor performing the Symphony:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBC1EaAbbYc

Sounds tremendous!

If you think about it there were some very fine symphonies written in Poland in this period: Noskowski, Scharwenka (X.), Wieniawski (J.).
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Ilja on Saturday 17 August 2024, 22:52
Don't forget Karlowicz, Stojowski and Moszkowski, whose B minor symphony should be released on Toccata any moment now (right? RIGHT?...)

I don't think that the fact hat the same forces recorded other Xaver Scharwenka works necessarily means that this is part of the same project; most Polish orchestras have a healthy interest in their nation's musical heritage. Personally, I hope that some of Philipp Scharwenka's orchestral works (particularly his Traum und Wirklichkeit, Herbstfeier (Symphony No. 1) and D minor symphony) may get some attention soon.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 18 August 2024, 06:32
And while it may be the same as the suite of the same name, the P. Scharwenka Arkadische Sinfonie is available for hire from Berlin Verlag Neue Musik.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 18 August 2024, 09:17
I'd very much like to see Philip Scharwrnka's symphonies recorded, especially Hetbstfeier, but I have looked in vain for a full score (or parts) of that work, but so far have been able to locate only vocal scores thereof. Full scores of the others exit in various libraries, although the LoC record for theSymphonia brevis has the ominous prefix "u"!
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 18 August 2024, 10:09
Quote from: Ilja on Saturday 17 August 2024, 22:52Don't forget Karlowicz, Stojowski and Moszkowski

Actually I was thinking of composers of a certain generation - Wieniawski J. (b.1837), Noskowski (b.1846), Scharwenka X. (b.1850). Stokowski (b.1869) and Karlowicz (b.1876) are rather later. And, as for the Symphony by Moszkowski (b.1854), it's very early (1873) and I'm not yet convinced of its stature or worth. Zobaczymy!

Of course, one might add Paderewski, Szymanowski, etc.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 18 August 2024, 13:13
There's an interesting downloadable dissertation (https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc331594/) (Smialek, North Texas State, 1981) on Dobrzynski's symphonies, half of which is a score of his 2nd...
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 18 August 2024, 13:26
Also, Nowakowski (1800-65) composed a symphony chosen by Chopin over Dobrzynski's first for a March 1830 concert he conducted (or organized or both?), but does anyone know if the material for the former survives? (And then there's whatever survives of the two symphonies of Sowinski...)
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 18 August 2024, 13:49
Thanks, Eric. As I said, I was thinking of a particular group of Polish symphonists all writing in about the same period. For those wishing to cast the 'Polish symphonic net' more widely, please see the relevant information here:
https://musicwebinternational.com/national-discographies/balkan-symphonies/

I personally would like to know more about the Symphonies of Zelenski (b.1837), about which IMSLP has this rather bare entry:
2 Symphonies (1871–72, 1912?)
 
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 18 August 2024, 14:08
Portal (https://portalmuzykipolskiej.pl/pl/osoba/4402-zelenski-wladyslaw/kompozycje) lists a first symphony Op.36 from ca.1871, lost except for the Andante sostenuto; and a 2nd symphony (1910-12) "zaginiona" (missing). So, one movement from an incomplete Zelenski symphony is all we get, and I don't know where it is :(
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 18 August 2024, 14:32
Thanks. Does the IMSLP entry need updating?
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 18 August 2024, 14:33
I put in a comment in the discussion forum there, for now...
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 18 August 2024, 14:41
The Andante from Zelenski's 1st Symphony is published by Polish music publisher PWM  under the title "Funeral Tones". Score and parts are available for hire. According to the publisher's catalogue entry it lasts 8 mins.
Title: Re: F. X. Scharwenka: Symphony in C minor and Piano Concerto No. 1
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 18 August 2024, 15:09
Thanks, Gareth.