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The Music => Recordings & Broadcasts => Topic started by: Alan Howe on Saturday 05 April 2025, 23:29

Title: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Saturday 05 April 2025, 23:29
...from Neeme Järvi/Chandos:
https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9769853--wilhelm-furtwangler-symphony-no-2-in-e-minor
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: John Boyer on Saturday 05 April 2025, 23:52
There can be only one question: will it match Barenboim?
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Justin on Sunday 06 April 2025, 00:26
Here is a video of him conducting the work last year. I wonder if it is the same live recording that will be on the album.

Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 06 April 2025, 02:30
Ooh.
If it comes close to Barenboim I will be well pleased.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 06 April 2025, 09:09
I don't think Barenboim's recording is easily available these days.

A rough calculation suggests that Järvi is about 5-6 minutes quicker than Barenboim overall.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 06 April 2025, 13:36
Quote from: John Boyer on Saturday 05 April 2025, 23:52There can be only one question: will it match Barenboim?

I don't think it will, but I sort of feel obliged to buy it anyway. And Järvi père is 87, bless him - 88 on 7th June this year. He's always been an adventurous spirit...
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 13 April 2025, 04:43
Re Barenboim: someone's asking USD 86 for it on ebay so I guess not!
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: John Boyer on Sunday 13 April 2025, 05:04
The curse of algorithmic pricing.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Gareth Vaughan on Sunday 13 April 2025, 10:12
Available from 3rd party sellers on Amazon UK at prices between £12 and £15. But there was also one offered at the truly ridiculous price of £178!!!
Also just checked ebay and found 2 at around £13 (post free), together with, admittedly, quite a few at silly prices.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 13 April 2025, 13:49
Thanks, Gareth. Well worth the reasonable prices you quoted.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 14 April 2025, 19:39
There were a couple of places where I wished Järvi had applied the sort of tempo articulations that the composer and Barenboim both do, like about 6-6.5 minutes or so into the first movement, but overall it really is a terrific performance.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 14 April 2025, 19:42
Agreed, Eric. Definitely worth a punt, I'd say.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 14 April 2025, 19:49
(I should say I was listening to the May 2024 live performance someone has up on YouTube, which of course may not be the same as the performance that will be released on Chandos, to which I don't have access yet :)...)
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 14 April 2025, 19:54
Understood, Eric. We'll see...
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Elgar4Ever on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 14:31
Neeme Jarvi is 88. It is remarkable that he never ceases to amaze us with recordings of sadly undervalued works. I await his recording of Furtwangler 2 with optimism. Hopefully it will compare with the Barenboim. Long may this champion of the almost forgotten be with us.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 14:38
Quote from: Elgar4Ever on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 14:31Long may this champion of the almost forgotten be with us.

Hear! Hear!
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 20:47
Any opinions on the Furtwängler/VPO Second on Orfeo?
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 21:27
Quote from: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 20:47Any opinions on the Furtwängler/VPO Second on Orfeo?

Depends whether you want modern sound...

If you're starting from scratch, I'd strongly advise searching out Barenboim which is as good as it gets - and is in superb sound.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 21:53
Quote from: Alan Howe on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 21:27
Quote from: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 20:47Any opinions on the Furtwängler/VPO Second on Orfeo?

Depends whether you want modern sound...

If you're starting from scratch, I'd strongly advise searching out Barenboim which is as good as it gets - and is in superb sound.

Hardly starting from scratch.  I've lived with this recording and never have considered an alternative.  I simply was interested in other opinions.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 22:34
Quote from: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 21:53I simply was interested in other opinions.

Well, if sonics are important, then Barenboim. If not, the composer's own recording with the VPO would seem to be a good choice. It's just not for me in such a richly-textured symphony.
Title: Re: Furtwängler Symphony No.2
Post by: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 23:02
Quote from: Alan Howe on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 22:34
Quote from: Febct on Tuesday 22 April 2025, 21:53I simply was interested in other opinions.

Well, if sonics are important, then Barenboim. If not, the composer's own recording with the VPO would seem to be a good choice. It's just not for me in such a richly-textured symphony.


Yes, indeed.  That makes sense.  Thanks.