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Title: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: eschiss1 on Sunday 28 September 2025, 03:56
Being released on Music & Arts. Anna Shelest, piano; Neeme Järvi/Estonian National Symphony, on October 3rd. see Instagram. (https://www.instagram.com/p/DN1a3lxWED-/)
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: tuatara442442 on Monday 29 September 2025, 01:11
Seems to be the first commercial recording of the 1001 Nights Suite in orchestral form (a chamber arrangement has been commerically recorded).
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: TerraEpon on Monday 29 September 2025, 13:14
Quote from: tuatara442442 on Monday 29 September 2025, 01:11Seems to be the first commercial recording of the 1001 Nights Suite in orchestral form (a chamber arrangement has been commerically recorded).

I have that recording, pretty nice piece if I remember right.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: jasthill on Monday 29 September 2025, 13:43
Hum! The Presto site preview of the 1001 Nights Suite seems to be the solo piano version.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Revilod on Monday 29 September 2025, 14:13
Here's a preview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2aTSV7b5Nc



Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: terry martyn on Monday 29 September 2025, 15:07
It's going to be warp-speed then!
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: jasthill on Monday 29 September 2025, 17:52
The YouTube is a preview of the 1st piano concerto (which BTW is also available on the Hyperion Romantic Piano Series).  Would be nice for a new orchestral version of the 1001 Nights Suite or any of Bortkiewicz's other suites.  There's a Philharmonic Academic Orchestra of Chernigov, Ukraine with Mykola Sukach (LP or CD ?) unknown vintage of some of his suites including the 1001 Nights.  Also a mention in this forum in 21 January 2022.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: eschiss1 on Monday 29 September 2025, 21:24
Yes, and the first piano concerto was recorded on LP in 1964 as well (Marjorie Mitchell, piano, 29 minutes I think, reissued on CD with the original Busoni coupling and Britten's piano concerto as well), but my point was to mention the new release.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: jasthill on Monday 29 September 2025, 23:10
I was focusing on the 1001 Nights music hoping for a new orchestral version. Maybe a Neeme Järvi or a Toccata project. Tocatta did a lot of Moszkowski orchestral music - why not some Bortkiewicz? Järvi ought to be persuaded to follow up.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 00:30
Hrm. Wasn't clear from the cover but confirmed by playing a sample part of a track on Apple Music too. My mistake.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 01:09
Quote from: jasthill on Monday 29 September 2025, 13:43Hum! The Presto site preview of the 1001 Nights Suite seems to be the solo piano version.

Hmmm can't find it on Presto. Link?
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: eschiss1 on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 01:46
Prestomusic.com (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9799292--a-romantic-from-kharkiv-music-of-sergei-bortkiewicz) (A Romantic from Kharkiv).
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: tuatara442442 on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 04:42
Oh, my mistake. I didn't notice that only the pianist's name is mentioned next to the 1001 Nights title. A piano version after all...
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: TerraEpon on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 13:08
Quote from: eschiss1 on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 01:46Prestomusic.com (https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9799292--a-romantic-from-kharkiv-music-of-sergei-bortkiewicz) (A Romantic from Kharkiv).

Ah that title explains why I couldn't find it, thanks.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Alan Howe on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 15:40
I located it by searching for the pianist's surname. I may have had a stroke, but I've still got it...
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: FBerwald on Tuesday 30 September 2025, 20:12
The Marjorie Mitchell version had lots of cuts in it.
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: tuatara442442 on Wednesday 01 October 2025, 00:22
So many cuts that the booklet of the Hyperion version mentioned it...
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: eschiss1 on Wednesday 01 October 2025, 01:11
The title of the album A Romantic from Kharkiv is mentioned on the cover at the link I gave in the first post...
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Ebubu on Thursday 02 October 2025, 23:48
And the complete album here on Youtube :
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lzsJzjYydiua4JwwJaopU2HVaQ2-yBfn0
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: tuatara442442 on Friday 03 October 2025, 00:52
Sounds a bit too fast for my ears that have accustomed to the Hyperion recording. The majesty of the first movement (of the concerto) is seriously reduced...
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Alan Howe on Friday 03 October 2025, 12:52
Is this down to Neeme Järvi (who tends to be speedy) - and who is more faithful to the score?
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Ilja on Friday 03 October 2025, 13:50
"Speed" can have two connotations in Järvi: either to find excitement or perhaps compensate for undue expansiveness in previous recordings, or slapdash casualness to get the thing over with. The former can produce genuinely good results, and has in the past.

Here, with all my love for Coombs' RPC version, I think Shelest and Järvi's approach works really well. Yes, it is noticeably faster, but it does not feel rushed except perhaps somewhat in the run-up to the coda in the first movement. The orchestra plays well enough, and Shelest can excel at this stuff in her sleep. She's fully in tune with the broadness and sentimentality of the piece, and I like her playing a lot.

There is something weird going on with the recording, however, and I'm curious how others perceive this (referring to the YouTube videos). The balance on the first two movements sounds very good, albeit slightly piano-forward, but the third has a lot more reverb and distance, and a lot of detail gets lost. I get the impression that that third movement was recorded live, while the other two weren't.

Two other recordings of the piece on YouTube are worth mentioning, I think. There's Chihiro Ishioka's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CuWpsgBk9s) (no other performers mentioned) whose performance is even more expansive than Coombs and perhaps just a bit pedestrian. Also, the orchestral playing is scruffy here and there.

And finally there's Olga Shadrina's, with the Odessa PhO under Bortkiewicz advocate Mykola Sukach (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBrKano384&t=495s). This one sits inbetween Coombs and Shelest with regards to tempo, but she plays it quite differently - less broad and more precise. The orchestra's not perfect, but their obvious enthusiasm compensates for a lot. It's one of those recordings where you (at least, I) come away with a smile on your face.

Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: terry martyn on Tuesday 07 October 2025, 10:44
I agree with every word that Ilja has just written.

I don't mind Jarvi's tempo in the first movement, and I am pretty sure that the third movement was a "live" take. And I think the way conductor and pianist tackle the second movement is less anonymous than in the Hyperion recording.

Mitchell's  LP was sixty years ago, Coombs' CD 30 years ago.  It is remarkable that a concerto as pleasing to the ear as this is not taken up by music labels more often ,as it makes such a welcome alternative to Rach Two.


Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Jonathan on Tuesday 07 October 2025, 11:01
Quote from: terry martyn on Tuesday 07 October 2025, 10:44It is remarkable that a concerto as pleasing to the ear as this is not taken up by music labels more often ,as it makes such a welcome alternative to Rach Two.


I agree!
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: Christopher on Tuesday 07 October 2025, 12:13
Quote from: Ilja on Friday 03 October 2025, 13:50And finally there's Olga Shadrina's, with the Odessa PhO under Bortkiewicz advocate Mykola Sukach (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbBrKano384&t=495s). This one sits inbetween Coombs and Shelest with regards to tempo, but she plays it quite differently - less broad and more precise. The orchestra's not perfect, but their obvious enthusiasm compensates for a lot. It's one of those recordings where you (at least, I) come away with a smile on your face.


Sukach also recorded it with another pianist, Vyacheslav Zubkov, here -
- with the Academic symphony orchestra "Philharmonia"of Chernigiv,
Title: Re: New recording of Bortkiewicz's first piano concerto and 1001 Nights
Post by: semloh on Sunday 12 October 2025, 01:15
Yes, I like this too, and the tempi seem ideal for such a jolly composition. I think the audience applause rounds off the piece perfectly!