Unsung Composers

The Music => Composers & Music => Topic started by: Justin on Sunday 26 October 2025, 19:18

Title: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: Justin on Sunday 26 October 2025, 19:18
https://youtu.be/e28EWHuBOSU?si=iOK3bpVn3XW0x2BZ&t=1213 (https://youtu.be/e28EWHuBOSU?si=iOK3bpVn3XW0x2BZ&t=1213)

Should be timed to start at Raff among the other composers.
Title: Re: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: Alan Howe on Sunday 26 October 2025, 22:18
Yes, hmm. He seems to think that Raff wrote a 'Leonore' Symphony. Hopeless.
Title: Re: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: Revilod on Monday 27 October 2025, 12:00
"...how to deploy his [wonderful material] to best effect was something he wasn't that good at." Really? Raff was an amazing contrapuntalist and made the very best of his material. There are no "dead spots" in his works. If he was traditional structurally, that's what gives his music clarity. You don't get lost in a Raff symphony.
Still, I suppose we should be grateful that Hurwitz classifies Raff as a "major composer".
Title: Re: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: Alan Howe on Monday 27 October 2025, 12:04
Quite so. Hurwitz is only half right - which makes him half wrong. Annoyingly.
Title: Re: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: terry martyn on Monday 27 October 2025, 12:46
He is going to the well too often. Confusing Spohr and Raff.  Rushed!

(although I too love Raff's First)
Title: Re: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: Justin on Monday 27 October 2025, 14:20
It may just be personal preference. Hurwitz has often praised symphonies that are tight in structure and don't overstay their welcome (in his view), such as those of Cornelis Dopper and Sgambati.
Title: Re: Hurwitz on Joachim Raff being Creaky in Handling Form
Post by: Mark Thomas on Monday 27 October 2025, 14:29
Thanks to Revilod for saying all I would, but much more succinctly!